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Echo Nine Three V4/QD – Perfect AK Underfolder Sling Mounting Solution

If you own an AK with an underfolding stock, get a box of tissues because tears of joy are about to flow down your face and I don’t think I am overstating this (maybe a little). Underfolder stocked AKs are notoriously hard to sling. Well, that is about to change when the Echo Nine Three V4/QD Sling plates are released.

E93 V4QD

The picture shown above is a prototype mounted on an AK with an underfolder. We have talked about the V4/QD before but only in the context of use on AK pistols. Now that I have seen this, I think these are going to jump the head of a very short line of sling mounting options for underfolders. It positions the sling at the rear of the receiver where it can be used for single and two point sling applications and is tucked nicely out of the way. It uses standard push button QD swivels and is fully ambidextrous.

Installation is just as simple as the other Echo Nine Three Sling Plates. Just remove your grip, drop on the Sling Plate, and re-install the grip.

That sound that you hear is the joyful exclamations of AK underfolder shooters everywhere. These should be available in the next few weeks. Check out Echo93.com.

New Sling Plate and Sling Coming Soon from Echo Nine Three

Echo Nine Three (E93) has a couple of new items in the works. The first should make Yugo M92 PAP AK Pistol enthusiasts pretty happy. The V4/YP/QD Sling Plate is going into production and should be available soon. It is a new version of the V4/YP which is compatible with QD sling swivels.

Echo93 V4 YP QD

E93 is also working on a new sling. It is sewn from 2″ seat belt webbing so is is comfortable and bears weight well. Each end has an ITW Clash Hook (HK style snap hook) sewn in and there may be a QD variant eventually. This sling is designed to be extremely simple. It doesn’t have a name yet but you can suggest one on the E93 Facebook Page.

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Echo93 Sling

Review: Echo Nine Three CAV-15 MKII Modification Package

I’ll start this review with a bit of a history lesson. Joe Elledge of EchoNineThree (E93) was one of the few factory trained armorers qualified to work on the CAV-15 MKII lower receivers back in the days when they were still being made by Cavalry Arms. Apart from his standard armorer work on the lowers, he developed a set of modifications for the lowers that dealt with some of the perceived shortcomings and adapted it to more modern techniques.

E93 CAV-15 Modifications

Before you say anything… yes, I know the front sight is backwards. It works better as a thumb stop this way.

The modifications included shortening the buttstock, stippling the grip, and undercutting the trigger guard as well as adding a sling mount of his own design. The modifications were so well executed and well-liked by Cavalry Arms that they allowed the mods to be completed under warranty! Many of these features were to be included on the MKIII version of the CAV-15. However, setting up production of new receivers is expensive and the well-publicized drama between Cavalry Arms and the BATFE took place before the MKIII receivers could become a reality.

Now that GWACS Armory has taken over production of the CAV-15 MKII receivers, E93 is once again accepting lowers for modifications. I recently had the chance to review a GWACS Armory CAV-15 MKII and came away surprised at how much I liked it. I probably wouldn’t have considered using an all polymer lower receiver before, but these are a very viable option, especially for specific applications. I was especially intrigued to see if E93’s mods would bring any additional functionality to the table.

Overview

E93 completed separate modifications to my receiver: the stock was shortened to approximate length of a collapsible stock in the second position out from the receiver (this includes fitting a new buttplate), the trigger guard was undercut to allow higher hand placement, the grip was stippled to offer a more aggressive grip, and a sling mount was added toward the front of the stock in the typical single-point sling mounting location.

My sling mount is a prototype and I do not have pricing information at this time but the rest of the package runs only $125 from E93 (or $85 to shorten the stock and fit the new buttplate). I think that is extremely reasonable given the quality of the work and when you consider what a new grip and stock might cost with a standard receiver.

E93 CAV-15 Modifications Sling Mount

Observations from Use

I looked over the work when I first received the lower back from E93. The stock is cut cleanly and evenly. The new Pachmayr buttplate was fit well to the receiver. The undercut is executed very cleanly and evenly as well. The stippling is well executed with no voids or gouges. The stippled areas did show some slight discoloration but E93 told me this would happen and I know from my own stippling work that this will happen with lighter colored plastics. It was very minor and you would be hard pressed to even notice it now that the grip is dirtied from spending lots of time in my grubby mitts.

I tested the lower with a variety of different upper receivers. It spent most of its time mated with a Spike’s Tactical GMP upper. I liked this combination so much that it will likely stay this way as an iron sights only carbine. I also tested it with my lightest weight upper, a BCM 14.5” lightweight profile mid-length with a 13” Troy Alpha rail. The combination came in at just 6.65 pounds. That is impressive considering that this isn’t some stripped down lightweight build, this includes a free float rail, back up irons, Aimpoint, sling, hand stop and light! The E93 modified CAV-15 MKII lower shaved about 3/10ths of a pound versus a standard lower with collapsible stock!

The biggest and most noticeable functional change comes from the shortened stock. Joe was able to shorten the stock to the length of a collapsible stock in the second position which is where I normally keep my collapsible stocks. This shorter stock position works better for me when I square my upper body to the target and it is short enough that it works well with body armor.

E93 CAV-15 Modifications Stippling

The new rubber buttplate does a good job of locking the stock into my shoulder. It is still removable though not as easily as the original buttplate since the screws that fasten it to the receiver are buried in the rubber. I rarely, if ever, remove the buttplate so this is a non-issue for me.

The stippling has a fairly aggressive texture. It offers great grip without being too harsh on bare hands. It also works very well with gloves. The undercut trigger guard is a really nice touch. It makes it easier and more comfortable to get a higher grip.

The sling mount is very simple and I mean that as a compliment. Its simplicity makes it very versatile. It is a hook type sling mount that is bolted to a steel backing plate inside the stock. The mount is Melonite treated for corrosion and wear resistance. It can accept snap hooks or MASH hooks. I have a Blue Force Gear UWL attached to mine and it makes for a very nice combination. The location of the mount allows it to be used with either single or 2 point slings. This E93 sling mount is a vast improvement in both location and usefulness to the factory sling mounting point.

E93 CAV-15 Modifications Undercut Trigger Guard

The undercutting of the trigger guard is well executed. The beveled edges of the undercut make the grip more comfortable.

Wrap Up

These mods greatly improve how well the CAV-15 MKII works for me and the way I shoot. The quality of the work is great. The improvements are very functional. I am not sure what else I can say other than I consider the E93 mods to the CAV-15 MKII to be money well spent.

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NOTE: Due to a recent fire at the E93 machine shop, gunsmith services have been suspended temporarily.

Echo93 Gunsmithing and CAV-15 Services

You know Echo Nine Three for their excellent AK Sling Plates but did you also know that they offer general gunsmith services? Joe Elledge, the owner of E93 has been working as a gunsmith since 2000.

Joe was a certified armorer for the CAV-15 lower receivers back when they were being produced by Cavalry Arms. He developed a series of modifications for the CAV-15 that Cavalry Arms liked so much that they covered his mods under their warranty. The mods included shortening the stock to a length more fitting a carbine, fitting a new butt plate, under cutting the trigger guard to allow a higher grip, and stippling the grip.

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These mods are more interesting than ever thanks to the availability of the CAV-15 MKII lowers from GWACS Armory. GWACS Armory has managed to stay above water during this time of panic buying and is still able to get their lowers out the door in just a few days. E93 is now, once again, in the CAV-15 modification business.

E93 charges $85 for the stock cut and butt pad fitting or $125 for the entire package listed above. I have a lower on its way for Joe to work his magic on and I will be completing a review when it returns.

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Echo Nine Three DMS Redesign

Echo Nine Three is about to roll out the redesigned DMS (Dual Mode Sling). The new DMS features redesigned hub hardware that has been Melonite treated for durability and corrosion resistance. You can see the original hardware in our review of the DMS.

The newly redesigned DMS will be available soon on Echo93.com.

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